In these 4 years of observation, it's my conclusion that dogs figure out fast who to stay away from and who is safe to play with. The bully gets ignored or run away from; the shy dogs stick to their owners, under tables or in a corner; the mostly sane, balanced dogs play and avoid the bullies and aggressive dogs. No dog that I've ever watched or interacted with chose to be bullied, rolled, bit, punched, body slammed or humped. Instead, the ones who practiced the listed behaviors were shunned and even occassionally attacked enmass by the other dogs.
So why would any punishment type trainer imply that any dog would choose to be shocked, jerked, poked, pinched, hung by the collar, or any of the other uncomfortable, painful, non-survival activities of this trainer and many like him? The only thing I could think of that would cause someone to utter such a statement would be his perception of the final product. He obviously thinks that his dogs are happy and fullfilled despite the methods he uses. Believe me, the statements I've seen on dozens of shock collar trainer sites is that the dog is happy and "loves" it's shock collar because it knows good things are going to happen when the collar is put on.
I cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would think that a dog would prefer punishment and aversives as a method of training or behavior change. If you're going to look at training from the viewpoint of the dog, do so as a dog, not as a human trying to justify punishment and pain.
From a reader who couldn't post a comment "One thing I'd make clearer is the link between death and pain because some people can't make the connection on their own.
I have to say, Duh! in agreement.
Which is more likely to get some one to work harder and to enjoy their work more?
Being punished by being demoted and getting a pay cut? Or, being rewarded by being promoted and getting a raise? Who would ask for a demotion and a pay cut?? Why would a dog ask for punishment rather than reward? It's not conducive to survival."
To answer the comment about making it clearer between pain and death. The reason that there is pain is to warn the organism that death is imminent, every species of animal on this planet avoids pain and seeks pleasure, they avoid death and seek life, the purpose of every species is survival, pain means something just happened that was non-survival.